If Jesus had married and had a child

If you are not sure about the disciples being martyred, how can you use that in an argument about the devotion of belivers?

 

Well it was not my example but it is fairly well accepted history that they did become martyrs. The apostle Paul and John the Baptist were martyred in the bible.

 

[FONT=arial,helvetica]Where does it say James was martyred? Where was he given the chance to recant?[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica]CONCERNING ALBINUS UNDER WHOSE PROCURATORSHIP JAMES WAS SLAIN; AS ALSO WHAT EDIFICES WERE BUILT BY AGRIPPA.[/FONT]
1. AND now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrin without his consent. (24) Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.

 

This isn't a new theory. People have been trying to come up with plausible explanations for the absence of Jesus' body, ever since He ascended into Heaven. No, I don't have proof that He ascended. Not looking for it. I believe it simply on faith. Jesus said that if I put my trust in Him, and asked Him to do in my heart, what He wants to do, then He would take the punishment that I should get, and He would forgive me of all my sins, and make me acceptable to God. I have screwed up in a lot of different ways, and not just one. I give Jesus my screwups and failures, and He gives me love, mercy, grace, and forgiveness. Sounds like a deal to me!

 

If you're right, and I'm wrong, neither of us has lost anything. We'll just ride off into the sunset and fade into nothingness.
If you're wrong, and I'm right, you have everything to lose and I have everything to gain. I don't have any proof. Yours is a faith position, just like mine. You believe what you believe, and you don't have any scientific proof that God doesn't exist.