Davidson In ?!

Nevermind. You can't have a conversation or a debate without resorting to just a bunch of insults.

Grow up already.

 

but he didn't turn cleveland into the best offense in the history of the world in a few weeks w/ someone else's playbook and terminology - therefore - he sucks.

 

bunch of asshats!

 

hesitance to bump this to not restart conflict, but found this in an article posted on the 22nd after Chudzinski had been hired, but before Davidson left.

It doesn't say what Davidson was being sought for - may have been OL coach, certainly. I don't remember whether they sought to keep Heimerdinger in 2005, but certainly they didn't, and Brian Schottenheimer isn't exactly the A-list guy, so who knows. This article suggests a ton of assistants interviewed and only discloses two. They also did have the OL opening, where they eventually pulled Tony Wise back into the league (missed 2005 after Wannstedt got fired).


Also, while looking things up, noticed that Sam Gash had made it into the league as a coach, retained from the last staff (joined 05). Also had totally forgotten he was from Hendersonville. Between he, Brian Cox, Corwin Brown, Mike Devlin, Richie Anderson, Jimmy Raye, and Markus Paul, they have a lot of former players on staff. It's a big mix of that and other relative inexperience - only Wise, Denny Marcin, former DL guru for the Giants, and Jimmy Raye, a former coordinator for the elder Schottenheimer whose first pro job was when Mangini was 6, have much experience.

 

Yeah, I'm sure the thread dig was totally innocent.

Actually it says "several," not "a ton," and it names three of them: Schottenheimer, Shurmur, and Palmer. I suspect that those three were the "several." Also notice that it doesn't mention Davidson's name, much less say that they asked to interview him.


Clay:
I tend to get insulting when the other half of my conversation insists on saying things that are outright stupid or blatantly untrue, and let's face it, what you were attempting to argue was ridiculous. By the way, Bill Parcells is back on the market now so let him know if that Food Lion job is still open. He'll obviously be familiar with the interview process since it's so similar and all.

 

oh good Lord.

No, certainly, it doesn't. And we'll never actually know if so - but there's a direct cause-effect relationship stated in the press. And since Mangini was clearly targeting young coaches overall, and ended up with a very young OC as well, I feel confident that something was sought in that regard. Whether it was for the OC job, or an OL job that came with a pay raise and probably an assistant head coach title, it would make much more logical sense that the reports were true and he was sought, than that the reports were false and the guy with a bunch of coaches fitting his profile didn't seek out his young counterpart to be on his staff.

Either way we don't know, and it's no coincidence at all that most coaching searches, most potential hirings, and probably half of interviews never see the press at all.

I'm going to abstain from the pointless argument of what "several" means in this case, since it's neither your word or mine, and I'll ignore the problem with the phrase "a ton".

 

I'd really like to hear your experience interviewing for professional positions, since you clearly know more about it.

And I still contend that your assertion that "people don't interview for positions they don't intend to take" is pretty much crap. Courtesy interviews happen all the time - hell Bill Belichick actually took a job he didn't intend to keep.

But since you are the wise and omniscient Collin, I'll go ahead and admit that you're right and I'm an idiot. :notworthy:

 

Mangini was rumored to be interested, nothing more. He never stated as much himself, and we have no evidence that the Jets ever asked the Browns for permission to interview him (and it's hard to believe that it wouldn't have turned up in the NY media if they had). That suggests that there wasn't anything to the rumor, since they certainly could have inquired.

That's probably wise since no one on earth aside from you would think that "several" is synonymous with "a ton."


Clay:
People in other walks of life interview for positions they don't necessarily intend to take, but that's not the way it works in the NFL. There are a limited number of NFL jobs, and anyone who screws around without being serious about the position will not be offered interviews in the future. And you don't really need to admit that you're an idiot. I'm pretty sure that's self-evident.

 

in post 120 the source stated Davidson's interview was a courtesy deal, so it might be true. I think, regardless of whether Davidson was a qualified candidate, they may have and should have gone outside the team.

There's credence to the idea that an interview isn't just an employer seeing if a prospective employee is a good fit - it's also the employee's interview to see if the position/employer is a good fit. The employee just doesn't have the upper hand in the decision, obviously.

Either way, both of you can the dickwagging. What the two of you think of each other should be left to PMs.

 

Post 120 suggested that the courtesy part was on management's side, not Davidson's. It also stated that the Browns wanted an OC with experience, when they hired someone who had no experience at all. Moreover, you're really the last person who should be telling people to can the dickwagging considering that you perpetuated the Davidson arguing in multiple threads and you're the one responsible for bringing it back up.