If we cut Jake

Respectfully, can you redirect me to that thread. I'd like to see that stat. And if it's valid, then damn.

 

The difference is that everyone on here arguing for Jake has ignored every stat that has been posted showing he sucks this year.

 

I also understand why you're italicizing my opinion, but keep in mind that you don't treat the opinions of your stock broker and some random homeless guy equally. I think I've proven that my opinion is more educated than most, and even if you refuse to accept that, I've still given facts and evidence to support my opinion.

Your opinion on this issue is incorrect, and I've already explained why. These aren't just flaws that have gotten worse this year. The things you mentioned are things that Jake has constantly struggled with, so it's not like they suddenly became problems. Jake just suddenly added woeful inaccuracy to the list, but he was already terrible about setting his feet, using the proper arm angle, securing the ball, staring down receivers, and any number of other things. Surely you don't believe that no one has ever tried to fix those problems before.

Not unless his accuracy improves dramatically, and as I noted, the historical odds aren't good. Generally when a QB loses it, it stays gone.

No, it won't. New Orleans and Carolina have undoubtedly put him through endless drills and reps in an attempt to correct Jake's flaws. The problem is that by that point, the flaws are more or less set in stone. That's why Weinke showed the same flaws now that he had in 2001. Any coach will tell you that it's never easy to change an athlete's tendencies, but that it's even harder to do so with an adult than an adolescent. You can help a guy improve, but getting rid of ingrained bad habits is incredibly difficult and rarely successful.

Look around the league and try to find me some veteran QBs who radically change their tendencies. They don't. I'd be fine with getting a new QB coach to help guys emphasize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses, but Jesus himself couldn't iron out Jake's bad habits. And I'm not just picking on Jake, as the same is true for any athlete that age.

I understand that feeling, believe me I do, but it's for the best. Jake gave us some good memories, but he's d-o-n-e.

 

sure, and both have good WRs opposite them that are used better. Johnson slumped this year, FWIW, but those offenses get the ball to them in new ways instead of just noting that it's not working.


The line isn't giving up a ton of sacks. Jake gets the ball out quicker than Weinke, and that's a plus. The line is giving up plenty of pressure, and there's no doubt at all that the line, in fact, does suck. We load up with secondary blockers, which is part of the reason we fail on third down. That leaves us doing most of the same things on base O as on third down O, and with better pass personnel in on D, that means more pressure, better coverage against the same basic things we're already doing. Since Jake isn't awful on first and second downs, I have a hard time believing it's 100% him.

 

I also understand why you're italicizing my opinion, but keep in mind that you don't treat the opinions of your stock broker and some random homeless guy equally. I think I've proven that my opinion is more educated than most, and even if you refuse to accept that, I've still given facts and evidence to support my opinion.

Your opinion on this issue is incorrect, and I've already explained why. These aren't just flaws that have gotten worse this year. The things you mentioned are things that Jake has constantly struggled with, so it's not like they suddenly became problems. Jake just suddenly added woeful inaccuracy to the list, but he was already terrible about setting his feet, using the proper arm angle, securing the ball, staring down receivers, and any number of other things. Surely you don't believe that no one has ever tried to fix those problems before.

Not unless his accuracy improves dramatically, and as I noted, the historical odds aren't good. Generally when a QB loses it, it stays gone.

No, it won't. New Orleans and Carolina have undoubtedly put him through endless drills and reps in an attempt to correct Jake's flaws. The problem is that by that point, the flaws are more or less set in stone. That's why Weinke showed the same flaws now that he had in 2001. Any coach will tell you that it's never easy to change an athlete's tendencies, but that it's even harder to do so with an adult than an adolescent. You can help a guy improve, but getting rid of ingrained bad habits is incredibly difficult and rarely successful.

Look around the league and try to find me some veteran QBs who radically change their tendencies. They don't. I'd be fine with getting a new QB coach to help guys emphasize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses, but Jesus himself couldn't iron out Jake's bad habits. And I'm not just picking on Jake, as the same is true for any athlete that age.

I understand that feeling, believe me I do, but it's for the best. Jake gave us some good memories, but he's d-o-n-e.


FSF:
Dude, you had the first two replies after I posted that.

 

Or it could be that they have Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer while we have Jake Delhomme and Chris Weinke.

Actually it's not. As I already stated, we're giving up far fewer QB hurries than we're generating on opposing quarterbacks. Unless you expect the QB to never be hurried, we've done pretty well aside from some blitz pick-up issues and some struggles at LT against speed rushers.

In terms of run blocking, sure, but they've been a good pass blocking unit. You said that yourself weeks ago.

No, we don't. We often keep the back in, but so do a lot of teams. There aren't that many pass plays where we only send the two wideouts into the pattern. Moreover, it's not like players have failed to get open. Sometimes that's the case, but most of the time there is an opportunity to complete the pass and our quarterback fails to deliver the ball accurately.

The key area to look at is downfield passing on first and second downs. That's important because Jake has actually sucked all season long at accurately throwing the ball downfield regardless of the down. But on first and second down he can dump it off more regularly, which is why far more of his completions this season have come on passes 5 yards or less from the line of scrimmage than ever before. It's also why his yards per attempt total is far lower than it has ever been.

 

You might be correct on the formation requiring additional blockers but I have no way to summarize that based on stats. That would be an interesting number to see though.

 

you're a stock broker now huh? Wasn't it riddel who outed you as a 7-Eleven manager who lives in his Mom's basement?


And I'm not just some "random" homeless guy, I'm a virtuous and conscientious homeless guy who has more pride and self-esteem than to impose on his mother and slave away in a lime green vest for a measley 11 bucks an hour

 

he writes unread fantasy football articles and submits them to unread fantasy football websites were they refuse to post them......too.:grossergrinser:

 

A more interesting question would be who here would change their team based on where he went.