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Snake bit? DO NOT use a tourniquet!

Discussion in 'Health & Medicine Forum' started by HighPoint49er, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. HighPoint49er

    HighPoint49er Full Access Member

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    Tourniquet: Bad advice for a snake bite

    MURFREESBORO, TN (AP) - A Rockvale man discovered that Western films aren't a good source of emergency medical advice for a snakebite. Mike Edwards, 46, was bitten by a timber rattlesnake Saturday while working on his Rockvale farm. The bite was so severe that Edwards was kept at Vanderbilt University Medical Center until Monday.

    The standard snakebite scene in many movies shows the victim applying a tourniquet to the limb and then cutting the wound and sucking out the venom.

    As Edwards and his wife, Andrea, waited for the ambulance to arrive, a good Samaritan tried to help using advice gleaned from Hollywood.

    "She put a tourniquet on his arm," Andrea Edwards said. "We were on the phone with the EMT who was on his way to us, and he said to take it off."

    As the Edwards learned when they arrived at Vanderbilt, the tourniquet could have cost him his hand or arm.

    "The toxicologist at Vanderbilt said the tourniquet just kept all of the venom in one place, and it swelled, which made it harder for the antivenin to get to it," Mike Edwards said.

    Edwards' condition was critical by the time they arrived at the hospital and his blood pressure was dangerously low, his wife said. Mike said he lost vision at one point and was convulsively twitching.

    "They told me another 10 minutes, and we could have lost him," she said.

    Middle Tennessee Medical Center's Dr. Kevin Beier, who specializes in emergency treatment, said venom is used by snakes to break down the tissue of prey to make them easier to digest.

    "When you trap the venom, it causes tissue damage and necrosis (tissue death)," Beier said.

    Beier said there are rare circumstances when using a tourniquet would have helped, such as in the cases of the victim going into shock and to slow the spread of the venom.

    But Beier said the method of cutting a wound and sucking out the venom is never recommended.

    "Do not do this," he said. "That's been shown not to have been of any benefit and it can increase the effect of infection or damage."
     
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    So a question for those who know: What IS the recommended first aid procedure for snake bites? Just in case I ever need to know...
     
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    We do have some nasty snakes in TN. Saw at least 4 copperheads on the golf course last week. 2 of them were fighting over food. Bulking up for the winter and getting aggressive.
     
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    I guy I know was bit a couple weeks ago by a copperhead. He was walking to his tree stand, felt a "slap" on his shin and didn't think any more about it since he was wearing snake boots; just thought he had kicked a stick. Once in his tree stand, he noticed his vision getting blury and he just didn't feel right. Checked his leg and saw 2 little red spots. Fortunately he had a long distance walkie talkie and got his wife to come out and get him. The only thing you can do is get to the ER asap. THe ER should have trained medics for snake bite recognition and treatment. He was lucky.
     
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    From what I understand death from a copperhead bite is very rare. They do not carry enough venom to kill a healthy adult. Rattlesnakes on the other hand do and are very deadly.

    As far as first aid I do not think there is much you can do other than get to the ER for anti-venom asap. It probably is smart to try and stay calm and not exert yourself so that you do not raise your pulse and spread the venom quicker.
     
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    That would've scared the crap out of me.
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    I know a guy who didn't even go to the hospital after being bit by a copperhead. Leg turned horribly black but he said no one but kids and old people died from copperhead bites.
     
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    So I take it that he is ok and didn`t lose the leg?
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    He's fine. Leg looked bruised all over for about a month then got better.
     

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